For all my my years of Poker I learned that you don't value bet when you don't have 50% or more when getting called - so now you teach us that only counts when we are in position because OOP we still could face a bet that could be less profitable to call - and we would still have to call.
But what worries me is this:
Let's say checking makes 1, betting ourselves makes 0,98 and x/c makes 0,96 - then we still have to take into account how often x/c happens because when it's less than 50% of the time we make something between 0,98 and 1, so more than betting does.
Could you please go a little bit more in detail of this concept? I find it very interesting and confusing at the same time.
If you are in position with half pot to play you have two choices. Lock up your equity in the pot or shove. If you shove it's only worth it if you're called by worse more than half the time, since your other option is locking up your x% pot share on the river for free.
If you are out of position with half pot to play your options are shove, x/c, x/f. If you have 25% equity when you x/c, you'd be better off shoving if you can get called by worse more than 25%. The only way this is violated is if your opponent will ever check back a better hand on the river, which I don't think will happen here.
A way to think of it is once the pot gets so big, you're pot odds are so large that your threshold for stacking off becomes much smaller, whether that's as x/c or as a value bet. I hope that's clear, it's a complicated concept so if you have further questions feel free to ask.
For all my my years of Poker I learned that you don't value bet when you don't have 50% or more when getting called - so now you teach us that only counts when we are in position because OOP we still could face a bet that could be less profitable to call - and we would still have to call.
But what worries me is this:
Let's say checking makes 1, betting ourselves makes 0,98 and x/c makes 0,96 - then we still have to take into account how often x/c happens because when it's less than 50% of the time we make something between 0,98 and 1, so more than betting does.
Could you please go a little bit more in detail of this concept? I find it very interesting and confusing at the same time.
As always - thank you in advance!
If you are in position with half pot to play you have two choices. Lock up your equity in the pot or shove. If you shove it's only worth it if you're called by worse more than half the time, since your other option is locking up your x% pot share on the river for free.
If you are out of position with half pot to play your options are shove, x/c, x/f. If you have 25% equity when you x/c, you'd be better off shoving if you can get called by worse more than 25%. The only way this is violated is if your opponent will ever check back a better hand on the river, which I don't think will happen here.
A way to think of it is once the pot gets so big, you're pot odds are so large that your threshold for stacking off becomes much smaller, whether that's as x/c or as a value bet. I hope that's clear, it's a complicated concept so if you have further questions feel free to ask.
Thank you for your detailed answer.
I really do appreciate you taking your time with answering my questions, I sometimes feel like I should rather ask less (lol).
So yeah thank you for inviting me to still ask more, it makes me feel comfortable... to keep on asking xD
And yes, it's clear to me now, just seems hard to recognize those spots.